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EDIT: I realized I never gave the definition of endogenic, and am so embarrassed!  An "endogenic multiple" is a system who sees their multiplicity as inborn, rather than coming from other sources. ^_^ Also, the Trash Can Collective told us their system name had changed and we've updated this post accordingly.

EDIT AGAIN: Trash Can Collective is now the Lunastus Collective and we've re-updated the post.

Hi everybody, it's Sneak again, and I am on a plural history Wiki roll! ^_^ Today I learned when and how the word "endogenic" got created! :D Coincidentally, it's also right around the same time as the first citation I can find for the urban legend of "'multiple' and 'system' are DID-only words and other plurals aren't allowed to use them"! Score!

Seeing how the "endogenic" term got created to try and be a completely separate form of language from all existing plural terminology at the time to avoid spurious claims of "cultural appropriation," only to then be claimed as cultural appropriation anyway, I think this helps prove just how bad-faith the original argument is.  DID plurals, we can do better!  We SHOULD do better!

Quick Details

Coined By: the Lunastus (FKA Trash Can Collective, Alnilam)
Date Coined: 2014, August 8
Location Used: tumblr

Circumstances of Creation
On August 7, 2014, the Lunastus Collective found themselves "being told that using those terms [multiple and multiple system] is appropriative of the DID community [...] Being told [natural multiplicity] can’t possibly be a thing, and it’s trivializing DID folks to say it happens" (2014, August 7). In their attempts to avoid spurious claims of cultural appropriation and come up with "words to use for 'multiplicity', without using the word 'multiplicity', 'plurality', or anything relating to that" they came up with "the -genesis words. And we kind of liked the looks of some words, once we took of the -esis part!" (ibid). The most successful of these terms was "endogenous," which later was changed to "endogenic."

Unfortunately for TLC, coming up with a completely separate terminology utterly seperate from the rest of the plural community didn't work. For instance, the Entropy System states, "I see the word 'endogenic' as equivalent to the confederate flag. [...] It still attaches them to a problematic past and encourages oppression of a minority group." (2018, May 13) (Note: this post is factually incorrect about the history of "endogenic" and the status of non-DID plurals within plural online communities. It is cited not as an accurate source on plural history, but a source on the kind of opinions that float around the term "endogenic.")

Citations

Entropy System [theentropywe]. (2018, May 13). do you support endogenic systems? [tumblr post]. Retrieved 2019/03/14 from https://theentropywe.tumblr.com/post/173859245866/do-you-support-endogenic-systems

the Lunastus Collective [not-your-fucking-pet]. (2014, August 7). Fellow plural people? [tumblr post]. Retrieved 2019/03/14 from http://not-your-fucking-pet.tumblr.com/post/94111819808/fellow-plural-people

the Lunastus Collective [not-your-fucking-pet]. (2014, August 8). Long ramble on terminology creation [tumblr post]. Retrieved 2019/03/14 from http://not-your-fucking-pet.tumblr.com/post/94222698873/long-ramble-on-terminology-creation

Date: 2019-03-15 02:32 am (UTC)
ljwrites: Mermista from She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (mermista_glare)
From: [personal profile] ljwrites
"I see the word 'endogenic' as equivalent to the confederate flag." Like what kind of trivializing bullshit o_O

Date: 2019-03-15 04:34 pm (UTC)
the_network: Chibi icon of a black cat with green eyes against a dark green background with light green polka dots (Mew)
From: [personal profile] the_network
They're also using the analogy to mean endogenics are the same as what, slave owners? The decedents of slave owners who wish for the "good old days"?

Everything you said is true and the analogy is gross and dangerous for so many many reasons and I don't know if Entropy ever apologized for it but I certainly hope they did or at least got called out

because not only are the situations not comparable at all but it's incredibly offensive to people who ARE hurt by the confederate flag and the people who fly it

Also as someone mentally/physically ill AND Jewish I'm really so tired of people trying to have these medical diagnoses handed down by unaffected professionals as cultural identities that can be appropriated from like.... I'm sorry you chose to do that and are now being hurt but I promise it's not the same! I promise!!

-Mew

Date: 2019-03-16 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ex_not643
The 'endogenic is like the Confederate Flag' thing is so fucking rubbish. There is no legitimate comparison between non-trauma plurality and people fighting to own human beings, including some of this vessel's ancestors. It's so fucking insulting! It's especially ridiculous when Dead Souls Society (formerly Alnilam) invented the term to ward off some of these debates.

~L.
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