lb_lee: A clay sculpture of a heart, with a black interior containing little red, brown, white, green, and blue figures. (plural)
[personal profile] lb_lee
Hey, does anyone have any decent resources on subsystem stuff? We know little about it and mostly see folks talking/slapfighting about it, not really giving information about it.

Asking for a friend.

Date: 2023-01-29 05:39 am (UTC)
starfallhaven: a girl with red hair in a simple rough leather tunic looks to the side with one eyebrow raised on a pastel yellow background. (Aloy)
From: [personal profile] starfallhaven
We have experience with it, but we've never written about it. Or seen much written about it, to be honest. Do they have something they're looking for specifically? -Aloy (she/her)

Date: 2023-01-30 04:36 am (UTC)
the_broken_tower: (Default)
From: [personal profile] the_broken_tower
Tried asking around on Discord for resources, and no dice. :/

There are memories of people seeing subsystems mentioned back when forums were active and had resource pages, but mainly as part of terms and definitions pages. Those resources pages did usually include personal websites of systems, who may or may not have talked about their own experiences. If you haven't checked those already (I'm guessing you have?) it's worth a try.

Otherwise - there might be people talking about them on contemporary sources, though we aren't on any of the platforms younger folks are and can't point out specific pages. Tumblr might be worth sifting through, if you don't mind the discourse.

- Clay (he/him)

Date: 2023-01-31 02:53 am (UTC)
bodyetal: The plural emblem with an interlinked crescent moon and safety pin. (crow)
From: [personal profile] bodyetal
Not that it's much help now, but we're planning to/working on making & compiling some--we'll try to reply here once we do, if that helps?

Date: 2023-01-31 06:16 pm (UTC)
monsterqueers: smug looking cat furry with its tounge sticking out (Default)
From: [personal profile] monsterqueers
Yeah wed like to know about decent subsystem resources too, a lot of them are at BEST single-page 'this is what a subsystem is' definition things that either dont work universally or distinguish maybe a little too much between the various microlabels people have invented under 'a section or grouping of a system that is more 'separate' from the rest in some way.'

Think we used to have a professional source quote thing from Kluft(???) mentioning subgroupings and how they can be configured and it was still a brief one short page sort of deal but the link seems to have been lost to the ether.

Theres even less for what to *do* about it (ie- special considerations with improving system skills in such a grouping, how to 'pull' headmates from that grouping to the main grouping or otherwise dissolve the barriers between the groupings, etc)

Date: 2023-01-31 07:26 pm (UTC)
bodyetal: The plural emblem with an interlinked crescent moon and safety pin. (crow)
From: [personal profile] bodyetal
Hey! We went ahead and wrote a thing because holy fuck if there isn't a complete lack of any useful information online--we found exactly one thing that wasn't just "it's a system... in a system" (which, yeah, I gathered).

What I just wrote:
https://etal.neocities.org/plurality/subsystems

And the only useful thing I found:
https://houseofchimeras.livejournal.com/140876.html

Sidenote: our website's not done so I wouldn't poke around much yet, but that page should work just fine!

Edit: Forgot to say that we plan to also write some more useful stuff like coping skills, but since even just "what IS it, though" isn't out there we started very basic
Edited Date: 2023-01-31 07:27 pm (UTC)

Date: 2023-01-31 10:52 pm (UTC)
monsterqueers: smug looking cat furry with its tounge sticking out (Default)
From: [personal profile] monsterqueers
Yeah, its not the only system experience that has very little of use written, but its for sure the most frustrating because the concept is so old, so surely there would be more out there that is easy to find- but nope!

Date: 2023-01-31 10:53 pm (UTC)
monsterqueers: smug looking cat furry with its tounge sticking out (Default)
From: [personal profile] monsterqueers
Thank you! This is very useful!

Date: 2023-02-01 12:45 am (UTC)
bodyetal: The plural emblem with an interlinked crescent moon and safety pin. (crow)
From: [personal profile] bodyetal
so glad it helped!! and yeah, ran across similar issues ourself. let us know if there's anything else we can do/share/answer!

Date: 2023-02-01 02:33 am (UTC)
the_broken_tower: (Default)
From: [personal profile] the_broken_tower
Yay! :D

- Khemu (he/him)

Date: 2023-02-01 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] paragraphiti
Aaahhh! Thank you
We aren’t the friend of Lb's who was questioning subsystems but thank you for writing
From: [personal profile] kinda_lost

We found this by a plural whose been around for 15 years or so.

https://kinhost.org/Main/Sub-Systems

Differentiates sub-systems from side-systems.

Doesn't mention coping resources though.

From: [personal profile] kinda_lost

That is seriously, majorly awesome. We've been looking for such resources for a couple of years. It's been really difficult to find high quality stuff like their work and your Headspace Defence work,through Google. Not sure why but probably me& as well as others not knowing what keywords to use, as well as lots of poor quality results coming up .

When we've posted your& articles on social media or on Reddit in the past, we get comments on how it's helpful.

From: [personal profile] kinda_lost
We're familiar with html, would be most happy to contribute in what ways we can / have capacity for in PluralArchives.
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