that makes a lot of sense re: child porn being made by a small number of people. if you ever manage to find that doc feel free to toss it our way since it sounds interesting and useful!
re David Thorstad: Oh man this guy. He's a thorn in our side since we, Janusz especially (being the boring nerd that he is), have been getting into Marxist literature lately, and unfortunately David Thorstad, since he was apparently a Trotskyist (Leon Trotsky himself has nothing to do with Thorstad since he was killed in 1940), happens to dominate the Marxist literature on gay liberation, which is a serious problem since the man is a self-styled pederast and founder of NAMBLA, the notorious pedophile association whose publications clearly show that they endorsed contact with kids the age of 12 and younger. (Source for that from their website so no one can say I'm lying! aka the article that made me throw my phone on the floor in a rage)
And besides the fact that advocating for the "right" of pedophiles to manipulate children into sex is clearly un-Marxist when the material origins of pedophilia seem to be within the nuclear family (Janusz's analysis, personal communication), which is consistent with Marx and Engels' call for the abolition of private property and the nuclear family since Engels says the oppression of women and children originates in the monogamous family and private property (see Engels, The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State, Chapter 4. The Monogamous Family); I am not persuaded that Thorstad is even very good at being Marxist when he attempts to appeal to "nature" and tradition to justify pederasty:
Man/boy love is an international gay issue that has been part of Western and non-Western homosexual traditions "from New Guinea and Persia to the Zulu and the Japanese" (Nambla bulletin: "The Secretariats have lied...") In all cultures and in all historical periods, men and youths have been getting it on, because they are naturally attracted to each other. (David Thorstad, photocopy, emphasis mine)
You could justify slavery, serfdom and caste systems with this same logic! You should have seen Akira's initial reaction to the Japanese bit when we first read this lmao, he flipped his shit he was so pissed!
Speaking of Akira being pissed, the reason why we've been back on researching this shit is because a few days ago we happened to be reading an article on identity politics that wasn't supposed to have anything to do with this mess at all, and then when he got to the bottom and there was a citation from Thorstad he flipped his shit because we weren't even trying to look for this, we had a moratorium on this subject for the sake of our sanity.
So Akira decided to channel all that angry energy into finally cracking open that Witch-Hunt book, and that's where we are now!
(You can probably tell that we have something of a polemic in the works against marxists who defend nambla)
EDIT: phew I totally went off about all that other shit! I'm honestly not surprised about Nathan lol she sounds like a shady person. I also hope that she's just a contrarian lol.
I also totally agree about the "you must be this badly traumatized to ride" bullshit that's what we've seen ourselves too. I guess that's inevitably what happens when you treat trauma as an identity and not you know an experience a lot of people have. Which you know we were originally reading about identity politics in the interest of understanding that.
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Date: 2019-07-22 08:29 pm (UTC)re David Thorstad: Oh man this guy. He's a thorn in our side since we, Janusz especially (being the boring nerd that he is), have been getting into Marxist literature lately, and unfortunately David Thorstad, since he was apparently a Trotskyist (Leon Trotsky himself has nothing to do with Thorstad since he was killed in 1940), happens to dominate the Marxist literature on gay liberation, which is a serious problem since the man is a self-styled pederast and founder of NAMBLA, the notorious pedophile association whose publications clearly show that they endorsed contact with kids the age of 12 and younger. (Source for that from their website so no one can say I'm lying! aka the article that made me throw my phone on the floor in a rage)
And besides the fact that advocating for the "right" of pedophiles to manipulate children into sex is clearly un-Marxist when the material origins of pedophilia seem to be within the nuclear family (Janusz's analysis, personal communication), which is consistent with Marx and Engels' call for the abolition of private property and the nuclear family since Engels says the oppression of women and children originates in the monogamous family and private property (see Engels, The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State, Chapter 4. The Monogamous Family); I am not persuaded that Thorstad is even very good at being Marxist when he attempts to appeal to "nature" and tradition to justify pederasty:
Sourced from 1994 paper by Andy Quan that details and analyzes the discussion at ILGA for expelling NAMBLA (NAMBLA's scapegoating man/girl pedophilia later in this discussion as involving a heterosexual power dynamic is also really interesting in the light of Thorstad being associated with Lawrence Stanley/n.s aristoff and Uncommon Desires being allegedly the sister organization to nambla! (Bob Nalett San Jose P.D., via that same video Akira linked via Cheit))
You could justify slavery, serfdom and caste systems with this same logic! You should have seen Akira's initial reaction to the Japanese bit when we first read this lmao, he flipped his shit he was so pissed!
Speaking of Akira being pissed, the reason why we've been back on researching this shit is because a few days ago we happened to be reading an article on identity politics that wasn't supposed to have anything to do with this mess at all, and then when he got to the bottom and there was a citation from Thorstad he flipped his shit because we weren't even trying to look for this, we had a moratorium on this subject for the sake of our sanity.
So Akira decided to channel all that angry energy into finally cracking open that Witch-Hunt book, and that's where we are now!
(You can probably tell that we have something of a polemic in the works against marxists who defend nambla)
EDIT: phew I totally went off about all that other shit! I'm honestly not surprised about Nathan lol she sounds like a shady person. I also hope that she's just a contrarian lol.
I also totally agree about the "you must be this badly traumatized to ride" bullshit that's what we've seen ourselves too. I guess that's inevitably what happens when you treat trauma as an identity and not you know an experience a lot of people have. Which you know we were originally reading about identity politics in the interest of understanding that.
--Hikaru