Rogan: I admit, once I actually MET Astraea, a lot of the weird little things us and Zy used to joke about with Pavilion Hall suddenly got thrown into stark relief. That was definitely a case where the more I knew, the WORSE it looked.
And the thing is, we were really enthusiastic and fired up to work on it, at first!
Rogan: Ditto us and Zyfron. But we realized that it was doing nothing of substance and we left pretty fast to do our own projects.
I remember it being handwaved a few times with "It means you won't be irresponsible and say 'but my alters did it, not me'", but at other times, they were really pushing "we want to show people that we can have degrees and jobs and cars and apartments just like anyone."
Sneak: I definitely got that impression when going through the Pavilion website! Like, it never even SAYS the word "disability," or "mentally ill," like they're haunted or something. And I can find vague statements like, "we will not reject anyone for being a survivor, in therapy, non-co-conscious, or any other related matter" but that's... not actually true! In a page one link-click away, they say, "Plurality is a functional, non-disordered state of being: MPD is a nonfunctional disorder, which may require therapy and perhaps integration."
Throughout their site, they use "plural" over and over, and right until I just found that citation now, I thought they meant it in the umbrella sense. But if THAT's their definition, then they're specifically using it throughout their site with intent for political manuevering! They're specifically using "plural" to mean "non-disordered multiples" and kicking out MPD/DID/DDNOS/OSDD plurals from the whole site! Ugh, it makes me feel so mad! >.< And they can't say they aren't doing it on purpose, because in THAT VERY STUPID PAGE, they say, "When you read references to plurality, soulbonding, medianity, etc. which suggest that the writer has confused these states of being for MPD, write to them. Ask if they mean MPD/DID or Multiplicity." So they specifically mean "plurality" DOESN'T mean MPD/DID! And even if you ignore their own words, you clearly state that that isn't true when you were THERE!
I feel even worse about it because we're diagnosed, we're legally disabled, we're everything that they show disdain for! They're hiding that disdain, but it's not very convincing, you know!
we never got the impression that most of the people on groups like alt.support.dissociation DIDN'T have degrees, cars, and jobs. The stereotypical MPD/DID patient in a lot of places, at the time, was still considered to be someone who had gone through all the "standard" rites of adulthood and then began to melt down in their 30s or 40s.
Sneak: It's true! I know when rereading The Flock, by Joan Frances Casey, we were horrified at seeing how the titular system was constantly going on about how "functional" and "healthy" they were because they were getting good grades... but also constantly smashing their heads against walls, to the point their apartment had dents and damage from it! And we were just like D8 "THAT IS NOT HEALTH THAT IS GUTTING ALL HEALTH FOR THE SAKE OF PERFORMATIVE PRODUCTIVITY!"
So I guess you could say in that way, Pavilion was carrying on a long MPD/DID tradition! D:
I mean, there were five systems really involved with it
Mori: Wait, FIVE?! Where the hell did they get the member roster of "thirty" then?! Surely not all these folks are sock puppets! (Are they?) Though I guess you said a lot of folks joined and then didn't do anything...
Lucas really seemed to like "delegating work" and giving "assignments" after the weekly meetings. We would have meetings, then he or Gina would come up with a weekly essay topic and say we needed to write an essay on that for next week, and then rag on us for "not doing your work"
Mori: Wait, were these essays totally separate from the ones being uploaded to the Library? If so, what were they even FOR? I'm so confused by this.
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Date: 2019-03-14 09:07 pm (UTC)And the thing is, we were really enthusiastic and fired up to work on it, at first!
Rogan: Ditto us and Zyfron. But we realized that it was doing nothing of substance and we left pretty fast to do our own projects.
I remember it being handwaved a few times with "It means you won't be irresponsible and say 'but my alters did it, not me'", but at other times, they were really pushing "we want to show people that we can have degrees and jobs and cars and apartments just like anyone."
Sneak: I definitely got that impression when going through the Pavilion website! Like, it never even SAYS the word "disability," or "mentally ill," like they're haunted or something. And I can find vague statements like, "we will not reject anyone for being a survivor, in therapy, non-co-conscious, or any other related matter" but that's... not actually true! In a page one link-click away, they say, "Plurality is a functional, non-disordered state of being: MPD is a nonfunctional disorder, which may require therapy and perhaps integration."
Throughout their site, they use "plural" over and over, and right until I just found that citation now, I thought they meant it in the umbrella sense. But if THAT's their definition, then they're specifically using it throughout their site with intent for political manuevering! They're specifically using "plural" to mean "non-disordered multiples" and kicking out MPD/DID/DDNOS/OSDD plurals from the whole site! Ugh, it makes me feel so mad! >.< And they can't say they aren't doing it on purpose, because in THAT VERY STUPID PAGE, they say, "When you read references to plurality, soulbonding, medianity, etc. which suggest that the writer has confused these states of being for MPD, write to them. Ask if they mean MPD/DID or Multiplicity." So they specifically mean "plurality" DOESN'T mean MPD/DID! And even if you ignore their own words, you clearly state that that isn't true when you were THERE!
I feel even worse about it because we're diagnosed, we're legally disabled, we're everything that they show disdain for! They're hiding that disdain, but it's not very convincing, you know!
we never got the impression that most of the people on groups like alt.support.dissociation DIDN'T have degrees, cars, and jobs. The stereotypical MPD/DID patient in a lot of places, at the time, was still considered to be someone who had gone through all the "standard" rites of adulthood and then began to melt down in their 30s or 40s.
Sneak: It's true! I know when rereading The Flock, by Joan Frances Casey, we were horrified at seeing how the titular system was constantly going on about how "functional" and "healthy" they were because they were getting good grades... but also constantly smashing their heads against walls, to the point their apartment had dents and damage from it! And we were just like D8 "THAT IS NOT HEALTH THAT IS GUTTING ALL HEALTH FOR THE SAKE OF PERFORMATIVE PRODUCTIVITY!"
So I guess you could say in that way, Pavilion was carrying on a long MPD/DID tradition! D:
I mean, there were five systems really involved with it
Mori: Wait, FIVE?! Where the hell did they get the member roster of "thirty" then?! Surely not all these folks are sock puppets! (Are they?) Though I guess you said a lot of folks joined and then didn't do anything...
Lucas really seemed to like "delegating work" and giving "assignments" after the weekly meetings. We would have meetings, then he or Gina would come up with a weekly essay topic and say we needed to write an essay on that for next week, and then rag on us for "not doing your work"
Mori: Wait, were these essays totally separate from the ones being uploaded to the Library? If so, what were they even FOR? I'm so confused by this.