Yeah, I think we were on the same forum post once where someone asked a question (forget what) directed toward fictives, a few people in both our groups responded, and people responded back with confusion and... almost annoyance that the "wrong" people were answering a question directed at fictives, if I remember correctly? Because the experiences are just SO different that the same things don't apply? Which is a bit weird to me, since being in the same system/brain as the person who made up The Thing has an effect, yeah, but not much of one; they still lived within a different place and set of rules for a good while, and even people from outside are subject to in-brain setting generation for details not in canon (ie, how many shows will tell you what a cheap and easy dinner with local crops growing up would be for Character in Magic Fantasy Setting vs them personally remembering what they usually used to eat?). Like on that note, I may have made up the basic setting/story Rose is from, but after getting toward the front he had to tell me "where are all the pickled foods do people not pickle things here" and that he had never seen or heard of a cow in his life (goats and sheep where he's from), things I hadn't come up with at all, but I get the impression people think being insourced makes the person basically the author's puppet? Maybe that's how they get stuck on the supposed vast difference?? Because you just don't UNDERSTAND what being a fictive from a different world is like, they can't control ANYTHING like YOU can, person I assume can snap your fingers and change whatever you want like it's a silly daydream!
ANYWAY, got stuck on a random minor detail.
Yeah, different in-system peoples comfort level definitely informs what I can do with their visible writing. ("I" because, as you might guess from the novel length comments, I specifically am the articulate-in-text writing person, as of yet no one else has been interested in doing fiction.) Rose and Orange Blossom are from the same fictional setting that I began writing when I was like thirteen years old, and I was never that interested in showing people in the first place because it was more about me discovering things about the characters by writing them than about making "a novel". (Insert hindsight laughter about what was actually going on with learning about my ~unusually autonomous~ characters.) Once they were actually here though, any chances of showing most people went entirely out the window, because they have embarrassing emotionally messy pasts that they absolutely don't want to be used for the entertainment of people they don't know. They're both kind of private. So obviously I'm not just going to ignore that and start going on about my FUN STORY I AM WRITING IT'S GONNA BE GOOD GUYS the way I might have when I was like fourteen. The people that might see some of it have to get permission from them first, not me.
Meanwhile, on the opposite end, uh... people who got here a few years ago who never assigned themselves flower names (you know who)... are characters from an extremely popular franchise and fandom, and ironically because of that are perfectly fine with the extremely personal what-happened-to-them-specifically writing I'm helping get together (see: articulate and better at writing fiction* (*pseudo-fiction??) than them haha) being put up, because it disappears anonymously into the sea of fanfic and no one would realize looking at it that they're reading about real people, or ever meet them personally even if someone did figure it out. They may bail a bit from the front if anyone wants to talk the merits of (extremely upsetting thing) or (normal fact of life for them) as a cool writing decision just because of the awkwardness, but the anonymity makes it much less weird than it could be otherwise.
Meanwhile AGAIN, the final category of fictive is Heather, who is from a well-known game... but not a named character in any way; he's technically in the slot of the player character in the kind of game where you make your own, so his entire childhood, name, everything, has no named counterpart, but almost everyone and everything he ever saw for a few year period of his life DOES. This is extremely weird for him. He was also instrumental in cracking open the system suppression, because "I" kept getting possessed by him journaling out the trauma of actually going through a horrible "adventure". And I hate writing in first person and had no idea why "I" kept doing that. So do I have what I could pass off as some really cool dark stories told in first person? Yeah. Can I actually SHOW anyone my real life partner's extremely personal journaling about the shittiest time of his life? Nope! He even finds it cringe-inducing and awkward to see all the fan interpretations of people he did know, since it's all uncanny valley slightly different interpretations of them that almost feel like accidentally mocking the dead (lots of dead people by the way! Don't go on "adventures" kids!), there's no way he'd consent to putting himself up for public interpretation too.
Long overly personal tldr to say, yeah, the politics of "I wrote about you and whoops you're here now what do we do" can get really weird and individual, but I feel like "NEVER EVER DO IT YOU AWFUL PEOPLE BEING A FICTIVE IS THE WORST WE ARE NOT FICTIONAL AND YOU MUST RESPECT US" is the beginning and end of the conversation I've seen. And while yeah, I agree that if the actual person in question just wants to veto public consumption then that should be that, I think some balance of who can look and under what circumstances and what details should be fudged for the public version should be normal conversations to have about it? But I think a lot of people feel like any budging away from "never write about us because we are REAL and that is DISRESPECTFUL" is ceding ground to the idea that they aren't real, and no one wants to budge an inch on that while most people think they don't exist in the first place. Respectability politics again.
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Yeah, I think we were on the same forum post once where someone asked a question (forget what) directed toward fictives, a few people in both our groups responded, and people responded back with confusion and... almost annoyance that the "wrong" people were answering a question directed at fictives, if I remember correctly? Because the experiences are just SO different that the same things don't apply? Which is a bit weird to me, since being in the same system/brain as the person who made up The Thing has an effect, yeah, but not much of one; they still lived within a different place and set of rules for a good while, and even people from outside are subject to in-brain setting generation for details not in canon (ie, how many shows will tell you what a cheap and easy dinner with local crops growing up would be for Character in Magic Fantasy Setting vs them personally remembering what they usually used to eat?). Like on that note, I may have made up the basic setting/story Rose is from, but after getting toward the front he had to tell me "where are all the pickled foods do people not pickle things here" and that he had never seen or heard of a cow in his life (goats and sheep where he's from), things I hadn't come up with at all, but I get the impression people think being insourced makes the person basically the author's puppet? Maybe that's how they get stuck on the supposed vast difference?? Because you just don't UNDERSTAND what being a fictive from a different world is like, they can't control ANYTHING like YOU can, person I assume can snap your fingers and change whatever you want like it's a silly daydream!
ANYWAY, got stuck on a random minor detail.
Yeah, different in-system peoples comfort level definitely informs what I can do with their visible writing. ("I" because, as you might guess from the novel length comments, I specifically am the articulate-in-text writing person, as of yet no one else has been interested in doing fiction.) Rose and Orange Blossom are from the same fictional setting that I began writing when I was like thirteen years old, and I was never that interested in showing people in the first place because it was more about me discovering things about the characters by writing them than about making "a novel". (Insert hindsight laughter about what was actually going on with learning about my ~unusually autonomous~ characters.) Once they were actually here though, any chances of showing most people went entirely out the window, because they have embarrassing emotionally messy pasts that they absolutely don't want to be used for the entertainment of people they don't know. They're both kind of private. So obviously I'm not just going to ignore that and start going on about my FUN STORY I AM WRITING IT'S GONNA BE GOOD GUYS the way I might have when I was like fourteen. The people that might see some of it have to get permission from them first, not me.
Meanwhile, on the opposite end, uh... people who got here a few years ago who never assigned themselves flower names (you know who)... are characters from an extremely popular franchise and fandom, and ironically because of that are perfectly fine with the extremely personal what-happened-to-them-specifically writing I'm helping get together (see: articulate and better at writing fiction* (*pseudo-fiction??) than them haha) being put up, because it disappears anonymously into the sea of fanfic and no one would realize looking at it that they're reading about real people, or ever meet them personally even if someone did figure it out. They may bail a bit from the front if anyone wants to talk the merits of (extremely upsetting thing) or (normal fact of life for them) as a cool writing decision just because of the awkwardness, but the anonymity makes it much less weird than it could be otherwise.
Meanwhile AGAIN, the final category of fictive is Heather, who is from a well-known game... but not a named character in any way; he's technically in the slot of the player character in the kind of game where you make your own, so his entire childhood, name, everything, has no named counterpart, but almost everyone and everything he ever saw for a few year period of his life DOES. This is extremely weird for him. He was also instrumental in cracking open the system suppression, because "I" kept getting possessed by him journaling out the trauma of actually going through a horrible "adventure". And I hate writing in first person and had no idea why "I" kept doing that. So do I have what I could pass off as some really cool dark stories told in first person? Yeah. Can I actually SHOW anyone my real life partner's extremely personal journaling about the shittiest time of his life? Nope! He even finds it cringe-inducing and awkward to see all the fan interpretations of people he did know, since it's all uncanny valley slightly different interpretations of them that almost feel like accidentally mocking the dead (lots of dead people by the way! Don't go on "adventures" kids!), there's no way he'd consent to putting himself up for public interpretation too.
Long overly personal tldr to say, yeah, the politics of "I wrote about you and whoops you're here now what do we do" can get really weird and individual, but I feel like "NEVER EVER DO IT YOU AWFUL PEOPLE BEING A FICTIVE IS THE WORST WE ARE NOT FICTIONAL AND YOU MUST RESPECT US" is the beginning and end of the conversation I've seen. And while yeah, I agree that if the actual person in question just wants to veto public consumption then that should be that, I think some balance of who can look and under what circumstances and what details should be fudged for the public version should be normal conversations to have about it? But I think a lot of people feel like any budging away from "never write about us because we are REAL and that is DISRESPECTFUL" is ceding ground to the idea that they aren't real, and no one wants to budge an inch on that while most people think they don't exist in the first place. Respectability politics again.